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| Tweet Topic Started: Nov 30 2015, 01:05 PM (976 Views) | |
| Darker | Nov 30 2015, 01:05 PM Post #1 |
The Lord of the Dark
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 -Both bloodlusted. -Morals off. -Random encounter. -They start 100ft away from each other. |
 Piccolo: Just how many people have you sacrificed?! Cell: Sacrifice? Hmph, rubbish! On the contrary, it is an honor to become a fraction of my power. | |
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| EMIYA | Dec 1 2015, 12:26 AM Post #16 |
"I am the bone of my sword."
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See that's the funny thing about that image. In the online translation, it makes it look as if Alucard is racing through the vines when in the actual volume makes it clear that their going past the vines as they're dealing with the army. You can't see it well enough in the online translation but in the actual volume, you can see the outline of the army in that first panel being swarmed by vines. It's that wonderful difference between the volume and the online version, something that I of course did not notice until I actually bought the specific volume. But if I were to make an argument, Alucard still has to get to Anderson and Anderson's own powers make it incredibly difficult to deal with him directly. A single attack from him (on an area that technically isn't even lethal for Alucard) ended up obliterating thousands upon thousands of his lives and now his own vines are basically destroying whatever is left of his army. Alucard by himself can't necessarily deal with God Monster Anderson on his own and the fact that Anderson's powers are by nature designed to screw Alucard over, its probably best just to throw everything you got and then make a mad dash to take out our opponent while hopefully avoiding all the other crap being tossed at you. Plus, this is obviously played as a very emotional scene where Alucard is in a state of rage and distraught as he's charging Anderson down. |
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| lazerbem | Dec 1 2015, 12:37 AM Post #17 |
 
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At least some of the vines still hit, otherwise he wouldn't be bleeding. Unless his regeneration was already stalling. Anderson wrecking thousands of his lives was due to Alucard basically having all of his dreams shatter right in front of him, it wasn't Anderson precisely. We didn't see the explosion of flames engulfing familiars any other time he hit them. |
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| EMIYA | Dec 1 2015, 12:52 AM Post #18 |
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We don't see any of those vines hit Alucard though in the manga. We just see them ensnaring the familiars, burning and then turning them to ash as Alucard rushes forward. Perhaps having his lives burned around had that adverse effect on Alucard. Look what happened when Anderson attacked Alucard directly. That somehow equated to having the army outside of him just burst into flame. An indication that there's a correlation between Alucard and his army directly. I would infer being stabbed in the head=army burst into flames. then Army being burned=Alucard suffering some wounds directly. Which is another reason why Alucard should have his army, as this shows his body and army aren't just a separate thing but are considered a whole thing. Edited by EMIYA, Dec 1 2015, 12:53 AM.
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| lazerbem | Dec 1 2015, 12:59 AM Post #19 |
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Anderson and the Iscariot killed off plenty of familiars, but Alucard didn't even so much as have a drop of blood come off of him. I highly doubt that the damage goes both ways. I wasn't even suggesting that the damage went both ways, I was thinking that because Alucard was basically having a PTSD flashback that his army was exploding due to his bad mental state. And still, being bonded does not mean you are the same thing. Otherwise Gamera and Ayana are the same thing, after all, they both take damage in tandem with each other. Edited by lazerbem, Dec 1 2015, 01:00 AM.
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| EMIYA | Dec 1 2015, 01:05 AM Post #20 |
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To be honest, I would infer that to be because of God Monster Anderson, whose powers are obviously made to screw demonic creatures like Alucard over. Burning a few familiars is one thing, but when your burning with the power of God's Divine Wrath on them, that's a whole other story. Hence why Alucard was taking so much punishment at the time. Against Walter, Alucard gets beaten around and just puts on his troll smile the whole way through, with the damage done to him obviously not doing much to hinder him. Where as when God Monster Anderson starts attacking him, they're doing all kinds of crazy damage and he's being royally screwed by him. So in such a case if Walter lets say began ripping apart familiars, Alucard would probably feel it, but it wouldn't have that same effect as God Monster Anderson's Divine-like powers effecting them. |
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| lazerbem | Dec 1 2015, 01:11 AM Post #21 |
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Walter was exhausting Alucard, however, by just raw punishment. It was just that Walter was degenerating faster than him. |
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| EMIYA | Dec 1 2015, 01:19 AM Post #22 |
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He was also fighting Alucard without any of his lives too. So it wasn't like Alucard could just relate the damage done to him to his own lives. It was a specific point on Walter to have Alucard down to his singular, weakest state. Walter himself knew he stood no chance if Alucard had his lives. Which in the end doesn't make Walter look all that great compared to Anderson whom was willing to charge head first into Alucard's army and then as God Monster Anderson nearly took the entire thing out on his own. I would assume having no more lives inside of you and having to rely on your own body and power might make it a more difficult than when you can just put all the damage received to some familiars. |
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| lazerbem | Dec 1 2015, 01:24 AM Post #23 |
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This goes back to if Alucard is his familiars or not. They're at least semi-autonomous and even after having the whole horde killed, he didn't look too bad all things considered. |
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| EMIYA | Dec 1 2015, 02:22 AM Post #24 |
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I'd say his familiars have some level of self-control but are still bound by Alucard's rule. Otherwise I highly doubt Rip and Tubalcaine would be helping to fight against Millennium. It actually might be similar to Babidi's control magic. People like Dabura, Yakon and Pui Pui obviously have self awareness and can act as they please, but are still bound by Babidi's magic and are forced to obey him. |
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| lazerbem | Dec 1 2015, 02:32 AM Post #25 |
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I'm pretty sure their higher brain functions are shut down. Oh yeah, another problem with the familiars being part of him is Luke Valentine, who is very much alive. I know it was only Baskerville that ate him, but still |
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| EMIYA | Dec 1 2015, 08:48 AM Post #26 |
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Luke Valentine was never part of Alucard's familiar. He was a completely separate individual devoured by the Baskerville. Alucard even laments the fact that Valentine's abilities had to go to waste by being eaten by a dog. It's clear that Luke and the Level Zero Familiars are two completely different things. In such a case here, Alucard didn't take in Luke like he did everyone else, he was just eaten and once the dog died, Luke was able to manifest control again. |
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